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Beneath the shadow part 7

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Timer of Zeroes
15th Jan 2011, 10:52 AM

Continuation of our last story arc. Picking up Where we left off from http://outofworld.thecomicseries.com/comics/48 - who knows what we'll see next!

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Draenei Drama!

Cialbi
15th Jan 2011, 3:49 PM

Well, that's a new side of Zohaar - the duty-bound soldier who has to tell his family goodbye and do what he has to.

I guess it's kinda hard to be so carefree in such a tumultuous time.

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Welcome back :)

Nielspeterdejong
15th Jan 2011, 6:17 PM

Hope you had a great vacation! ;)

And the new page is amazing :) I love the coloring you've used! ^_^ And I can't wait to see more about it! :)

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Valdiis
16th Jan 2011, 11:16 AM

My only complaint is in the first panel, Zohaar should be saying "could've" or "could have" instead of "could of" - a lot of people hear "could of" out of "could've."

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Timer of Zeroes
16th Jan 2011, 3:03 PM

my only complaint, being the writer & typographer, is when people pick at dialog.

After all its rare to hear perfect grammar in dialog because, lets be frank, thats just not how we talk.

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GrifterWolf
17th Jan 2011, 10:52 AM

Those two make great siblings, hope nothing bad happens to either one of them!

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Asterios
30th Jan 2011, 7:25 PM

And my only complaint is when people write stuff like they hear them. What, never read a book in your life?

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again with the dialog...

timerzero
31st Jan 2011, 4:03 AM

What's so bad about writing people talking, who are talking to each other, as if I'm having the conversation?

Please, grammar nazi's, give me a reason better than "because its wrong!"

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Dead_in_the_Wall
31st Jan 2011, 6:43 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7E-aoXLZGY

'And my only complaint is when people write stuff like they hear them. What, never read a book in your life?'

That statement boggles my mind, to say that just because we choose to write dialogue that is casual and contains colloquialisms (Oh no, the horror, the horror!) means that we've never read a book? That's such an incredibly narrow minded, naive, almost laughable statement that I am forced to level it back to you because obviously you think that every author writes dialogue in the same fashion. So maybe you ought to, I dunno, read a book?

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Asterios
31st Jan 2011, 2:44 PM

I was referring to the "could of" part. Yes, the dialogue is fine, what I have a problem with is writing "could of" instead of "could have", just because they sound the same. Are you suggesting we just consider it normal? Honestly, I'm just baffled by how you can go through life never having come across the proper spelling of "could have". Hell, it's not even just spelling, it's replacing the right word with a completely different one that makes no sense.(Hence my "never read a book" comment, since you entirely missed the point the first time.)

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Asterios
31st Jan 2011, 3:04 PM

I know I sound really pedantic, perhaps to the point of being an asshole, and I'm honestly sorry for that, I had no such intention. I am not frothing in rage over the death of the English Language or anything overdramatic like that. My feelings on "could of" are nothing but pure confusion. I can understand typos, I mean, people might place letters in the wrong order sometimes, but the word they had in mind is still correct, at least. In this particular case, that seems to occur especially in english-speaking countries, it's a wrong word entirely. Do those people also write "I of done my homework today"?. Probably not. Why then, in this case, do they suddenly not grasp the concept of "have" as an auxiliary verb and just write whatever sounded more closely to what they heard?

Anyway, again, I sincerely apologize for rambling on your comic, which I otherwise enjoy. I guess I just had to get it out of my system. :P

No hard feelings, I hope. :)

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Dead_in_the_Wall
4th Feb 2011, 9:01 AM

Its comments and diatribes like this that really sucks all the joy out of posting this comic.
You say you enjoy it whilst talking to us like we're drooling imbeciles without even the most basic grasp of our mother tongue.
You're not sorry about being an ‘asshole’; you just don't want to be held accountable.
You're not making comments like this for anyone’s betterment, it’s just so you can wave around your self-imposed, self-righteous indignation like it’s a badge of honour, like it makes you better than rest of us for some unknown reason. You call yourselves 'grammar Nazis' like anything associated with the word Nazi is a good thing...
I'm not going to argue any further as to why we used ONE piece of grammar, in ONE sentence of dialogue over another, it'd be a waste of time.
I give up; please feel free to stoke yourself over a job well done.
So as we're so clearly below you on the scale of evolution I suggest you don't let us darken your reading experience any further.
No hard feelings and all that old chap. :)

Any further discussion on this topic on this page is being deleted. No ifs and buts.
And if this continues I'm moderating the comments from now on with a view to disabling them.

Pointing out errors, critism, advice is one thing, but this is getting stupid.

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Asterios
5th Feb 2011, 3:48 AM

I never called you, or implied you were, an imbecile, but replying like this you really prove you are. I don't call myself a grammar Nazi, nor has anyone ever called me one, because I don't make a habit out of going around the internet correcting people, but of course you're not going to believe that. Oh, and to be completely honest, I was indeed being polite about enjoying your horribly slow-paced comic with the almost nonexistant storylines, but I guess you're not one to bother with pleasantries.

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Putting the boot in.

Timer of Zeroes
5th Feb 2011, 7:38 AM

In regards to being imbeciles:
Being a British comic, as stated elsewhere, we tend to find comments like “that seems to occur especially in English-speaking countries” or “never read a book in your life?” to be rather inflaming. But, I invite you to create a weekly, hand-drawn comic and keep it out on time with perfect spelling, grammar and punctuation whilst maintaining a regular job on top of trying to keep up on current game events. You’ll soon see it’s quite a difficult task even for 2 people to manage.

On being a grammar nazi:
Because 4 posts telling us how we write our comic wrong paints the right sort of image. Because telling us how our national language is being murdered by our cast when we play it out between us. Because adopting a superior air in your comments is usually a way to rile people. See where this is going?

On us being terribly crass and agitated:
Indeed it would appear our pleasantries are exhausted, because we’re tired of sometimes struggling to get pages out in time, to make sure all the layers to be present and correct, to check over the text and start working or planning the next strip only to have “that’s wrong! You ought to write your comic like this! You don’t draw blood elves how I like them! You don’t, etc. etc.”

On our lack of storyline & pacing:
This comic is largely for our own amusing adventures around Azeroth brought to those who may have had the same experiences or as a sounding board for things that amuse us. We’re relatively new to making web-comics and as such, we are perhaps guilty of bad pacing, but at this time we’re trying to find our feet – particularly since we’re having quite a serious storyline unfolding. Also, I get the distinct feeling your not an artist, as you clearly don’t have any inkling on how much work goes into the art alone. The reason we’re a weekly comic is quite frankly, we’re busy people who work, play the game and work on the comic when we can fit it in.

In closing I would like to suggest you check out xkcd or hark a vagrant as both of these are much deeper than our simple comic and may suit your tastes better. But to be fair, I fucking *love* hark a vagrant.

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